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What is the significance of this
11:11?
It's simple, yet complex. The simplicity lies within
the occurrence of what we've almost affectionately
labeled, "The Event." It is the appearance of
the numbers 111 or 1111 at seemingly random moments, but
where there is an accompanying feeling of deja vu, as if
there were something going on. When we see those numbers,
we catch a faint glimpse of that something... and to quote
David Bowman from Arthur C. Clarke's 2001: A Space
Odyssey, it's "Something wonderful." But
then again, it might just be some sort of Pavlovian
reaction to a certain stimulus, that of recognizing the
recurring pattern of numbers. It's sticky business, this
phenomena. Is it really something supernatural or are we
attributing meaning to happenings based on random chance?
When we get to the bottom of the argument, we just don't
know. But it's fun to wonder and imagine.
So you used it as a stepping
stone for the stories in the book?
Exactly. We discussed the phenomena and our own
reactions to it. None of us felt that there was any exact
Truth to explain it all. Instead, we imagined that the
Truth might be hidden somewhere in the diversity of The
Event's manifestations. We then decided to all work with
our own understanding of the phenomena, and to try to
discover meanings behind it within our own approaches
toward fiction. Perhaps somewhere in the mish-mash of our
stories there exists a kernel of Truth.
You talk about this Event as if
you think there's a meaning or purpose behind it, even
Consciousness.
Well, we all look at it in our own way. I tend to see
things as imbued with spiritual energy. I see the world we
live in, the people around us, our relationships, all of
it connected and moving together in constant motion, with
purpose and design behind it all.
God?
Well, even Einstein believed in God, and believed in a
grand design that holds it all together. Then there's his
famous quote that "God doesn't play dice with the
universe." There are others who came after him as
well, Richard Feynman, Carl Sagan, Stephen Hawking --
celebrity scientists who helped the layman understand this
wonderful idea that the Universe is a fantastic ordered
entity that grows and evolves and is somehow more
beautiful and complex than we can understand at this
time.
Personally, I do believe in God, and my religious
tendencies fall along the Christian Mythos. So that influences my thought, and
therefore my fiction. But there's a deep curiosity that
gnaws at me, that makes me ask questions of God and
science and nature. I want to know where I come from and
where I'm going, and why along the way does strange
phenomena take place, like signposts or a beacon? Life is
too wonderful to be chance, too complex and ordered to be
accident.
The theory of evolution, for example, to me is a cop
out. It tries to explain away the magic and dignity of
life, the importance and rarity of consciousness. But no
one can pinpoint an observable example of evolution in
progress. Why not? Evolution suggests that disorder
spontaneously transforms into order, that simplicity moves
toward complexity. But that's absolute bollocks, isn't it?
Even the Second Law of Thermodynamics proves that a System
can only move from a state of complexity to one of
simplicity. A System cannot gain energy, or complexity, or
order... it can only lose energy to Entropy, it can only
move toward simplicity and chaos.
The entirety of modern American culture seems to be one
where Reason and Science supplanted Religion and
Spirituality – not only Christianity, but also the
beliefs of the indigenous people of the continent.
However, even today Science is learning that it's been
barking up the wrong tree for the last couple hundred
years. Some scientists seem to think that one day they
will prove the existence of God, rather than their
previous atheistic bent. There’s a new mode of thought
emerging called Entanglement Science, the study of the
interconnectedness of things. It’s really nothing new,
just repackaged and made to appear modern for our
progressive sensitivities. In reality, it’s a very old
Eastern way of looking at the world.
So there is room for the
paranormal and the spiritual?
Yes! That’s the one thing the Eastern world never
lost sight of. It’s an idea the Western Christian
Mystics celebrated for centuries until it was hidden away
by the Church. It's the thread that holds it all together.
The unseen world around us supports the visible world. Our
senses are tuned to the physical realm. We see a small
portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. We hear within a
certain frequency range. We have limited senses of taste
and smell compared to other living creatures. Our
existence is keyed into a small time frame of about 70
years (if we’re lucky) and then we're left to what may
or may not exist outside of ourselves. Yet all around us
there exists another world, perhaps another state of
consciousness. Early Christians believed that the Kingdom
of God was all around us. The Essenes and the Gnostics
believed the physical world to be the illusion, a
diversion from true reality that was in the presence of
God.
I really believe that it’s our job to discover as
much as possible about who we are, who God is, what our
place is in the universe, what is our destiny. We are
responsible for our lives and our choices. I suppose I’m
big on existentialism.
You seem to have really thought
it out and have an applied philosophy to your world view.
Well, I’d like to be portrayed as one so deep! (laugh) I
suppose on one level I am, but it’s also quite a bit of
fun to think about, and to play with on an imaginary
level. I’m a big fan of speculative fiction and the idea
of alternate realities. I like to toy with the idea that
dreams can be real, and reality can be a dream.
Shakespeare said that we all players on stage in a guilded
cage. If he were alive today, he’d say we were all in
our own movie.
You do refer to movies quite a
bit in your fiction.
I’m a big fan. Everything. Every genre. I drive my
friends crazy because we can never agree on a tape at the
video store – I’ve seen them all! (laugh) But yes, I
like to reference pop culture in my writing. I supposed I
stole that idea from [Thomas] Pynchon. I even use on of
his characters in one of my tales, "The Lamb Lies
Down on Broadway." Another of the stories in the
book, "The Melodies of Life," is intertwined
with an old Orson Welles film called The Stranger.
There are parallels between the characters, the setting,
and the plot. I’d like to think the story makes a strong
statement about racism, intolerance, injustice, social
inequality… somewhere below the surface where the
meaning is illuminated by hidden clues and connections
with the film. On the top, it’s a murder mystery of
sorts.
You have another mystery story in
the collection, "Ashes."
"Ashes" appears to be a mystery on the
surface, and I think that’s what draws the reader in.
But I’d venture to suggest that the surface mystery
becomes secondary to the action in the story before too
long, and the reader is left slack-jawed and perhaps even
shocked by what is revealed as the tale moves on toward
its inevitable conclusion.
It’s an Apocalyptic tale, is it
not?
In more ways than one. The word "apocalypse"
comes from a Greek word meaning "revelation."
For example, the last book of the Bible is called the Book
of Revelation, and it is the final say on the idea of
the Christian Apocalypse. Its purpose is to reveal
prophecy and secrets about the "end of times."
It’s both grim and hopeful, for the believer.
And your story?
I think it teeters on both. I hope it does. Without
giving anything away, I’d venture to say that the choice
the protagonist must make at the end of the story seals
his fate. If he reveals what he has learned, the guilty
are absolved and "get out of jail free." If he
keeps quiet, justice prevails, a harsh justice, perhaps
even a cruel and unnecessary one. So his choice is to
allow himself to be a tool of that justice, or to defy it
and to bring salvation to a final few. What is right in
that situation? What is wrong? His final decision rests on
his nature, who he is. He cannot transcend himself. He
makes the only choice he can make.
You seem to believe that
individuals have great power then?
Absolutely. It’s the power of freewill. It’s part
of what makes us human. The Genesis myth says that God was
sitting around Heaven with "Others," and it was
decided that "We will make man in Our image." I’ve
always thought about that statement. In what ways are we
like God? As I see it, it’s more than just the
dictionary definition of sentience. First, we have the
ability to create. We are artists, all of us. In some way
we can all reach into that unseen power. It’s all around
us. We have to cultivate it. For some people it’s a
small shrubbery, for others a forest, but it’s
there.
We also have this wonderful thing called
"freewill." We are the masters of our own
destinies. We can choose how to behave and how to live.
And we have to live with the consequences of our actions.
I think many times we simplify it into binary opposites
like good and evil, righteousness and sin. But I think
that experience proves that such things are not so black
and white, not so simple. There’s a lot of gray area
there. There’s a lot of room where we have to work hard
at determining what’s really right and wrong. If our
choices were easy, it wouldn’t really be living.
You mentioned "The Lamb Lies
Down on Broadway." In this story, the choices the
characters make are important.
Only in this story, in many ways, the choices are made
for them. This story is about freedom. It’s about
privacy, dignity, freedom, truth, justice, the American
Way. And it’s about the things that are sometimes done
to allow the illusion of the American Dream to endure. It’s
gritty, dark and ugly, yet somehow it all seems necessary.
There’s a big government
conspiracy?
Of sorts. And I think my portrayal of the people who
would sacrifice nearly anything to keep secrets secret or
to further an agenda they think is for the better of the
people is an accurate one. In one way the little civil
libertarian and the anarchist in me wants to topple this
monstrous mechanism of lies and misinformation that I
believe is used to camouflage our country’s secret
agendas, both foreign and domestic, that lead to
oppression and exploitation of many innocent people
worldwide. I want to champion the little guy! However, in
another way, I’m stern right-winger when it comes to
family values and a bit of a socialist when it comes to
social programs. I’m torn between the idea that our
government is too big and too secret, and at the same time
I realize the security that size and secrecy
maintains.
So, I think in many ways the choices that the
characters make in that story are not important at all.
They’re all swallowed up by the machinery of a
"shadow government" that will grind up and spit
out any individual that gets in its way, even those
working for the System.
So we sacrifice something for our
security?
I think so. I think many folk would agree with that
assessment. And in the story, I try really hard not to
make a value judgment about the loss of freedom in
exchange for security. I think the story makes that clear.
After the tragic events of 11 September and the subsequent
developments on the home front, I find it intriguing that
so many people so quickly are ready to give up certain
freedoms, even civil rights, in trade for peace of mind.
Just a few years back, a large faction of conservative
Americans would have been ready to take up arms to protect
those same rights. Even many individuals who consider
themselves civil libertarians are second-guessing
themselves. I believe the way we all view the role of
government will change. Perhaps even the way our
government works may change. In any case, we are at a
turning point in our history.
Another thing about your stories,
they seem to connect with some of those written by the
other authors of MOJO, and likewise, they seem to connect
to your stories.
It really is a sort of tapestry we’ve woven here. The
boundaries between the stories are not solid and distinct,
but they aren’t exactly part of one another either.
There might be similar places, characters, or events
shared between different tales, perhaps even common themes
are explored in different ways. But it’s not just our
stories that share similarities, it’s the real world as
well. We’ve borrowed character names, places, films,
titles of songs… so there are all these little threads
running throughout the book’s text. It’s up to the
reader to discover the threads and to determine which ones
matter. Some are meaningless, some are integral to what
the author might be trying to get across. It’s all part
of the way we wanted things to appear connected to one
another.
For example?
Well, I’d rather not. [he pauses] Well, I can tell
you this one… there’s a character in one of Oscar’s
stories, "Presence." His name is Johnny Temple,
and he’s partially modeled after me.
In what way?
He’s always late! (laughs)
And that’s one of the
meaningless threads?
Exactly. (laughs again). But seriously, all of us have
our own ideas about The Event and what those numbers mean.
We just tried to have fun with the mystery of it all, and
at the same time use it to fuel our fiction. You’ll find
nearly every genre in the book, a little something for
everyone. And then, between each story you’ll find true
life anecdotes about our individual clashes with the
numbers 111 and 1111.
Back to "The Event."
How did you realize that other people were experiencing
this phenomenon?
In the early Nineties, I was having a discussion with
some family members. During that conversation, I learned
of a family friend who was experiencing the same
phenomena. He never talked about it to me, and I never
spoke with him about it until recently. The subject came
up in conversation when he noticed me wearing my 11:11
"Are you part of The Event" t-shirt. He asked me
how I knew about it. He was floored when I told him I’d
been experiencing the phenomenon since the early 80s and
that I had met other people who had been a part of it. He
nearly fell off his chair when he heard we’d written a
book using it as a catalyst for a series of short stories.
So there are other people who do
experience this?
Not only in our personal sphere of influence either.
There are people all over the globe, from different
countries and cultures who experience the same phenomena
with the same numbers. There are a number of websites
running that attempt to explore the Mystery while serving
as a sort of "watering hole" for those of us
looking for others who share this experience. Further,
there are nearly as many explanations of the phenomenon as
there are people who experience it; at different levels
and of course influenced by different stimuli, different
education and upbringing, different religious traditions.
What exactly does MOJO mean?
Well, it’s sort of an anagram constructed by on
letter from each of our names. We didn’t want to just
put our names on the book and leave it at that. While we
were writing, we came to realize that the stories seemed
to take on a life of their own. They seemed to piece
together like the fragments from a jigsaw puzzle. Our
meetings were more than writing critique sessions, more
than brainstorming for ideas. It was almost a mystical
experience in itself. Our thinking seemed to be aligned.
We would come with similar ideas at the same time,
completely independent of one another.
And "MOJO" reflects
this idea?
The word is very interesting. To be honest, when I
first suggested it, I had no idea what the word meant. I
just remembered it from that old Door’s song where Jim
sings, "Mr. Mojo Risin’…" It was an anagram
for his name. If you shuffle the letters around, you’ll
get "Jim Morrison." I thought it was a cool
idea, and the word MOJO borrowed one letter from each of
our names. Then I looked up the word and discovered that
it’s usually a term that refers to magic that wards
against evil. It’s also a term for drugs or for
something that’s "cool."
The idea that our book would somehow be some sort of
talisman or some sort of conduit for goodness was
something I thought fit my personal objective for the
writing, and the others agreed. Also, in many ways some of
the stories do investigate other realms of awareness and
consciousness, "altered states." That would be
almost drug like. And to be honest, we all think the whole
project is pretty cool. We hope some of readers agree.
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